On one level just looking for something to map our organisation (I work for https://transitionnetwork.org/) I tried this https: spoggy herokuapp com/ but couldn’t work out what to do with it.
Do you have some tools that help map/do Holocracy in an org? I found this today: https://roles.springest.com/ hoping it might be available FOSS.
Or looking at Glassfrog/ Holaspirit, a proprietary SAAS is not ideal from my perspective.
We will be on Nextcloud, so https:// apps.nextcloud. com/apps/solid is a possibility…
@samuk, i’m working now with “The Virtual Assembly” working on “Transition interest too” which uses Holacracy in his organization process and build a Solid-compatible server (Semapps https://semapps.org/)
That manage organizations/ projects/ roles / Events SemApps
my profil is like that SemApps
Feel free to ask if you want to know more … Ping to @GuillaumeAV and @srosset81 which could you tell more about “Virtual Assembly” and the developpement of Semapps
You’ll find the english version of the SemApps newsletter here
SemApps is fully open source & based on SOLID (LDP - Web-ID - Web ACL for the moment), ActivityPub & Sparql
As Virtual Assembly we help many french transition movements with mapping tools … We usually use the PAIR ontology - (The diagram gives a good idea)
We developp several interfaces on the basis of the SemApps middleware (itself based on Jena Fuseki triplestore) - Some of them, like organigraph (cercles.assemblee-virtuelle.org) are under work in progress
I would be very happy to better understand your needs, we can plan a call if you are interested,
I managed to add ourselves here: SemApps but I run into this error if I try to add a link/URL: Un problème est survenu
En raison d’une erreur côté navigateur, votre requête n’a pas pu aboutir.
Hi Guillaume and Sam @samuk@Smag0
I am from Transition Paris IdF Hub and we were in contact for Transiscope and more recently on SemApps. I wrote 3 issues as user stories : #486, #487, #488 end 2019 to integrated in SemApps some main pieces of an application like Samepage (not available outside USA after end of 2021).
Sam of TransitionNetwork is setting up a complet environment for TransitionNetwork and it is an alternative to Samepage for our group. It would be interesting to have some connections with other organizations using SemApps too.
See you
Jean-Paul
We are currently working hard on the implementation of interoperability and what we name “ActivityPods” : Solid-like Pods, with ActivityPub Protocol… It should be done for the end of the year …
I remember your issues !! I proposed you a demo, I suggested SemApps would be (very) interesting for autumn, We are a bit late on the roadmap (which is related to the upward revision of our ambitions and some important refactoring)…
For other organizations that are using it, I will give you some emails in a private message …
@samuk & @JeanPaulGrange If you want we could plan a demo (in english) in January / February ?
Yes, it’s not ideal that Cloudron is closed source, It does make a whole range of FOSS Webservices more accessible to small/medium organisations though. We made the compromise to use it. I’d hope they might exit to community if they ran into financial trouble, although couldn’t guarantee it of course
OK no worries, is the codebase maintained? Is it just your instance that isn’t very maintained?
Yes this sounds very interesting! It would be great to do a call in the new year.
Again I’d encourage you to connect with Linked Open Actors who are also working on Activitypub based data transfer. A shared ontology and data model seems very desirable from where I’m sitting.
One of datasets I’m interested in exists partially in Kartevonmorgen and partially in Transiscope I realise the organisational mapping is only part of the picture, but if these two systems could be interoperable on at least the organisation level then I think that would be great.
I believe Linked Open Actors/ Kartevonmorgen are collaborating with https:// .joinmobilizon .org for the calendar piece, again using Activitypub.
Hello @GuillaumeAV and @Smag0 about shared governance holacracy and sociocratie.
There is a project, I am part of, in Transition Network (TN) called “Municipalities in Transition” since 2017 to provide systemic tools and methods to municipalities to really do a transition.
It is using and promoting the use of the Sociocratie 3.0.
I think that it would be good to use the Sociocratie 3.0 as a basis for shared governance as it is an open source which is not the case of holacracy and it integrates the sociocracy 2.0 + holacracy.
On Shared governance TN works with the “Université du Nous” and the TN Hub reseautransition.be, in Belgium, is providing trainings on it. I just did one provided specifically to the Hubs of the TN called “Consent Decision Making”. It is using the Colibris / Université du Nous MOOC Gouvernance partagée data (video, files,…) subtitled.
For the videoconference, I would prefer the Monday 7th or Tuesday 8th of February but in the evening (after 18h30) or Wednesday 9th of February in the afternoon.
See you,
Jean-Paul
The Bonfire initiative are planning Sociocracy for their own project governance, and they also plan to build modules that support the Sociocracy Pattern Library. It is a very interesting addition to other modules they already offer, like the one implementing Valueflows.
Do you or @Smag0 do some work already to turn these into Linked Data ontologies already? And do you have some links to TN to look at? Who knows here’s some more opportunities for true future ActivityPub + Solid interop
Update: Here’s a response of the team on way forward after getting up and running on initial release:
once we’ll release a stable version of bonfire social, one of the plan is to estabilish a way to gather priorities and needs from different communities and create roadmaps that follow such inputs, so that it could be somehow easier to get the needed fund to develop/test/iterate on modules if we manage to find shared needs across different communities and let them participate in different stages of the development
Hello aschrijver, @samuk is in the best position to answer for TN on the solution to use a tool to manage shared governance / Sociocratie 3.0. On my site I can ask the association Colibris and Université du Nous, who are using a lot Sociocratie if they know about a software developments and who could be a contact for Linked Data ontologies. I am think that @GuillaumeAV have direct contacts already with Colibris through the Transiscope projet.
This topic will interest @srosset81 who is working on shared governance management tools with us, Université du nous & Colibris …
Bonfire is a very cool project, we met them and we are starting a first collaboration: As a fiscal host, we host them on open collective
But we need to better understand who our projects can can become complementary…
About a video conference, @JeanPaulGrange & all it will finally be difficult to organize something in early February for us.
I’ll propose something a little later… To share our respective projects and discuss about collaborations & complementarities …
And a little news, @srosset81 should present our Activity Pods project during the next Solid World conference !
As an aside I spotted this project using Matrix as the data store. I’ve not looked at it closely. Would it be possible to store a Solid pod there I wonder?
which uses Holacracy in his organization process and build a Solid-compatible server (Semapps 
