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Is down since solid.community has migrated to solidcommunity.net.
Nevermind, I’d be happy to rework on the project if I can help.
Does Transition network already use holacraty as organisation strategy ?
Hola circles can be mapped to Solid groups, with specific authorization.
I’ll try and take a look in a few days
Yes, mostly.
Yes, it’s not ideal that Cloudron is closed source, It does make a whole range of FOSS Webservices more accessible to small/medium organisations though. We made the compromise to use it. I’d hope they might exit to community if they ran into financial trouble, although couldn’t guarantee it of course
OK no worries, is the codebase maintained? Is it just your instance that isn’t very maintained?
Yes this sounds very interesting! It would be great to do a call in the new year.
Again I’d encourage you to connect with Linked Open Actors who are also working on Activitypub based data transfer. A shared ontology and data model seems very desirable from where I’m sitting.
One of datasets I’m interested in exists partially in Kartevonmorgen and partially in Transiscope I realise the organisational mapping is only part of the picture, but if these two systems could be interoperable on at least the organisation level then I think that would be great.
I believe Linked Open Actors/ Kartevonmorgen are collaborating with https:// .joinmobilizon .org for the calendar piece, again using Activitypub.
Dear @samuk, ooh such a nice story the Exit to community !
About Archipel, yes the source code is maintained, you’ll find it here : GitHub - assemblee-virtuelle/semapps: A toolbox to create web semantic applications - However we are currently moving it to an automous repository, what should be done since the end of the year I think …
In the coming months, we’ll have several specific “products” built on top on SemApps :
Then …
See you,
Guillaume
Hello @GuillaumeAV and @Smag0 about shared governance holacracy and sociocratie.
There is a project, I am part of, in Transition Network (TN) called “Municipalities in Transition” since 2017 to provide systemic tools and methods to municipalities to really do a transition.
It is using and promoting the use of the Sociocratie 3.0.
I think that it would be good to use the Sociocratie 3.0 as a basis for shared governance as it is an open source which is not the case of holacracy and it integrates the sociocracy 2.0 + holacracy.
On Shared governance TN works with the “Université du Nous” and the TN Hub reseautransition.be, in Belgium, is providing trainings on it. I just did one provided specifically to the Hubs of the TN called “Consent Decision Making”. It is using the Colibris / Université du Nous MOOC Gouvernance partagée data (video, files,…) subtitled.
For the videoconference, I would prefer the Monday 7th or Tuesday 8th of February but in the evening (after 18h30) or Wednesday 9th of February in the afternoon.
See you,
Jean-Paul
The Bonfire initiative are planning Sociocracy for their own project governance, and they also plan to build modules that support the Sociocracy Pattern Library. It is a very interesting addition to other modules they already offer, like the one implementing Valueflows.
Do you or @Smag0 do some work already to turn these into Linked Data ontologies already? And do you have some links to TN to look at? Who knows here’s some more opportunities for true future ActivityPub + Solid interop 
Update: Here’s a response of the team on way forward after getting up and running on initial release:
once we’ll release a stable version of bonfire social, one of the plan is to estabilish a way to gather priorities and needs from different communities and create roadmaps that follow such inputs, so that it could be somehow easier to get the needed fund to develop/test/iterate on modules if we manage to find shared needs across different communities and let them participate in different stages of the development
Hello aschrijver,
@samuk is in the best position to answer for TN on the solution to use a tool to manage shared governance / Sociocratie 3.0. On my site I can ask the association Colibris and Université du Nous, who are using a lot Sociocratie if they know about a software developments and who could be a contact for Linked Data ontologies. I am think that @GuillaumeAV have direct contacts already with Colibris through the Transiscope projet.
Hello @aschrijver,
Josué told me that https://instantz.org is providing a tool already : https://openmyorganization.org.
Let met check if they would be interested in joining the discussion.
Hi & happy new year everybody !
Thank you @aschrijver for your tips …
This topic will interest @srosset81 who is working on shared governance management tools with us, Université du nous & Colibris …
Bonfire is a very cool project, we met them and we are starting a first collaboration: As a fiscal host, we host them on open collective 
But we need to better understand who our projects can can become complementary…
About a video conference, @JeanPaulGrange & all it will finally be difficult to organize something in early February for us.
I’ll propose something a little later… To share our respective projects and discuss about collaborations & complementarities …
And a little news, @srosset81 should present our Activity Pods project during the next Solid World conference !
@GuillaumeAV @JeanPaulGrange I’m still keen to get a call in the diary sometime that’s good for you.
As an aside I spotted this project using Matrix as the data store. I’ve not looked at it closely. Would it be possible to store a Solid pod there I wonder?
@GuillaumeAV do you happen to have an account on https://www.hylo.com/groups/collaborative-technology-alliance/post/57497
There’s some interesting (IMHO) conversation happening there about commoning ontologies. The PAIR is being discussed and it would be great to get your input.
A bit about the current approach to ontology is here: d:2023-02-22 [A Simon Grant – his wiki]
The discussion is open to anyone who has signed up for https://www.collaborative.tech/ as either an individual or an organisation. It would be great to see you in Hylo.
thanks @samuk for picking this up. It is I who have been writing about ontological commoning. In brief: my assumption is that in this, as in any complex field, different people have their own personal “ontologies” by which I mean something like conceptual models of what things are significant in the field and how they relate to each other. To achieve an ontology commons (and I’m thinking of Elinor Ostrom’s work when I write “commons”) the common pool resource is a shared ontology — that doesn’t mean necessarily a single uniform ontology. But the methodology of achieving this remains to be developed and tested. What is apparent to me is that it is less a technical question and more a psychological question, and writings on “dialogue” (in the tradition of David Bohm, Bill Isaacs and others) and more loosely “deep listening” are highly relevant. The point is, surely, that to get buy-in from various stakeholders, they need to be able to recognise some reasonable mapping between the ontology (that is often tacit) they use in their community of practice, and the ontology commons.
Needless to say, one is very unlikely to achieve this kind of engagement through some expert opinion on what the ontology should look like. Or, to put it in cautionary terms: to the extent that a core ontology is developed without the ontological engagement of the various stakeholders, to that extent it is likely to fail to gain traction. I don’t have direct evidence for this, but I propose it as more like common sense.
I don’t “have the answers”, but I do have ideas, and I’m happy to be involved in quests or enquiries/inquiries around this topic.