# What the actual... \[complete sentence\] **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 29, 2019, 10:09am UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162 "2019-01-29T10:09:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![filsmyth](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/filsmyth/32/239_2.png) [@filsmyth](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/filsmyth)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 10:09am UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/1 "2019-01-29T10:09:50Z")
It’s as if I’m speaking a different language here and that’s frustrating enough, as I can’t seem to get any **solid** answers about the emergence of a distributed social platform. Well guess what? Appears I was looking in the wrong place. Months before hearing about Inrupt I familiarized myself with **holochain**. Have brought it up a few times in this forum, with no appreciable result. The disconnect has become unbearable. Check it, beta begins in June: > **[JUNTO](https://junto.foundation/)** > > A Movement For Authenticity > **[Junto - A New Breed Of Social Media](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/junto-app/junto-a-new-breed-of-social-media)** > > Our goal is to inspire authenticity and expression in its purest form. Consciously designed. Decentralized. Not for profit. There need not be competition. Holochain is available to anyone and everyone. You want the security of blockchain without the computational overhead? You want users to be able to operate micronodes via mobile fones? **Holochain.** > **[Holochain | App framework with P2P networking](https://holochain.org/)** > > Holochain delivers beyond the promises of blockchain by providing a lightweight, secure and versatile framework for everyday distributed apps. Disclaimer: **filsmyth** does not code. I’m just a guy who likes things to make sense, and as a g+ refugee all I really want is to be able to express myself & enjoy others’ expressions in a manner similar to what has evolved over there since 2011. I not only want to share, but share _without limits_. And excuse me if I don’t want to hack something together in order to do that. No offense, but it’s just not my thing. **TO ANY AND ALL OF YOU FOR WHOM CODING IS ENJOYABLE** , I suggest you delve into holochain. I am in no way trying to say Inrupt/Solid should be abandoned. Far from it. Simply, it is difficult for me to watch while holochain is being ignored. Do with this message what you will. ---
**Author:** ![TheodoraPetkova](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/theodorapetkova/32/11_2.png) [@TheodoraPetkova](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/TheodoraPetkova)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/2 "2019-01-29T11:07:16Z")
At first sight this sounds like something in the same vein of Solid. Maybe the paths of these two will inevitable intersect. ---
**Author:** ![rimmartin](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/rimmartin/32/166_2.png) [@rimmartin](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/rimmartin)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 12:54pm UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/3 "2019-01-29T12:54:09Z")
what does holochain mean by DNA? I don’t see much about data and it’s storage; maybe there is possible synergy ---
**Author:** ![aschrijver](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/aschrijver/32/463_2.png) [@aschrijver](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/aschrijver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/4 "2019-01-29T16:43:38Z")
I took a quick peek, but not enough to really see (busy)… is it blockchain based (which would be putting me off)? ---
**Author:** ![filsmyth](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/filsmyth/32/239_2.png) [@filsmyth](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/filsmyth)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/5 "2019-01-30T00:43:52Z")
Blockchain is obsolete. > > **[Distributed hash table](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table)** > > A distributed hash table (DHT) is a distributed system that provides a lookup service similar to a hash table: key-value pairs are stored in a DHT, and any participating node can efficiently retrieve the value associated with a given key. The main advantage of a DHT is that nodes can be added or removed with minimum work around re-distributing keys. Keys are unique identifiers which map to particular values, which in turn can be anything from addresses, to documents, to arbitrary data. Respons DH... ---
**Author:** ![filsmyth](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/filsmyth/32/239_2.png) [@filsmyth](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/filsmyth)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/6 "2019-01-30T00:48:26Z")
> [@What app would you love to see on Solid?](http://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-app-would-you-love-to-see-on-solid/525/35): > > Please excuse the delay, @grimgriz; for some reason things have been more hectic than usual around here… Holochain Explained: ---
**Author:** ![aschrijver](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/aschrijver/32/463_2.png) [@aschrijver](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/aschrijver)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 8:10am UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/7 "2019-01-30T08:10:51Z")
Ah, thank you @filsmyth! My small peek was to Holochain page and not Junto. The name ending with ‘chain’ made me dismissive of it as just another blockchain fad (of which I’ve seen too many). Very interested in DHT-based p2p projects, though, like [datproject.org](http://datproject.org) and Secure Scuttlebutt, so I now have one more to read up on. Then Junto: I love the ideas that are described. Would be cool if you could post to [Humane Tech Community](https://community.humanetech.com) forum in Time Well Spent \> My Apps and Tools section. Our forum constitutes an archive. A body of information waiting to be procesed as we start crowdsourced community-projects and initiatives. We have been admitted to Mozilla Open Leaders and are currently revising our Mission and scope. Junto would fit right in with the solutions we are looking for. Here is my LibreOffice diagram that depicts what we are about: ![humanetech-community-mission-vision2](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/uploads/solidproject/original/1X/1b32cc85ab2aaf3369914d47636f7bdbca4dc3c0.png) ---
**Author:** ![happybeing](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/happybeing/32/59_2.png) [@happybeing](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/happybeing)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/8 "2019-01-30T15:01:43Z")
> [@aschrijver](#): > > Very interested in DHT-based p2p projects, though, like [datproject.org](http://datproject.org) and Secure Scuttlebutt, so I now have one more to read up on. If you are into this area there isn’t an initiative close to SAFE Network. I’ve made it my mission to help [put Solid on SAFE](https://safenetforum.org/t/devcon-talk-supercharging-the-safe-network-with-project-solid/23081?u=happybeing) because the two complement each other so well, and Maidsafe have been integrating the technology which Solid uses (WebID, RDF, SPARQL etc) and making its data types native to SAFE Network. For example, you can create WebIDs on SAFE and select the one you want in a drop down in the latest SAFE Browser. At the same time all the code is open source, mostly written in Rust for security, and Maidsafe are making their modules easily available for other p2p projects (Crust for example provides secure p2p communication without configuring home routers). Two good general intro links to SAFE: Technology Primer: [http://safenetworkprimer.com](http://safenetworkprimer.com) Quick Intro: > **[10 key facts about Safe Network](https://safenetforum.org/t/10-key-facts-about-safe-network/12948?u=happybeing)** > > A lot of good progress is being made now with the arrival and rapid iteration of the Fleming testnets. This thread pulls together key facts for three groups: 1) new people who want to find out what Safe is and maybe participate in the test nets,... ---
**Author:** ![aschrijver](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/aschrijver/32/463_2.png) [@aschrijver](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/aschrijver)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/9 "2019-01-30T15:09:50Z")
Nice, @happybeing! When I did my investigation of p2p some time ago, I encountered Maidsafe, but it did not get stuck onto my radar somehow. I ended with DAT. I will have a renewed look, when I have time. PS. @filsmyth, you may want to change the topic title for clarity and findability. PS2. The image in previous post is part of our HTC [updated mission and vision](https://community.humanetech.com/t/3322) that I have just announced. ---
**Author:** ![filsmyth](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.solidproject.org/filsmyth/32/239_2.png) [@filsmyth](https://forum.solidproject.org/u/filsmyth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://forum.solidproject.org/t/what-the-actual-complete-sentence/1162/10 "2019-01-31T16:40:44Z")
smh k, have fun